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Author’s note: I conducted this interview at last year’s M3 Fest.
For over two decades, Steve Riley has provided the backbeat for L.A. Guns, one of the sleaziest bands to emerge from L.A.’s Sunset Strip. Before joining the Guns in 1987, Riley was a journeyman, pounding the skins for Steppenwolf and W.A.S.P. I sat down with Steve to discuss playing in Baltimore, the songwriting process and the dangers of flaming signs.
L.A. Guns comes through Baltimore a lot. When did you first come here?
Steve Riley: I first came to Baltimore in 1984 when I was with W.A.S.P. We were touring with Metallica and Armored Saint. We played a club called the Coast to Coast and it was packed out the door. Metallica had just come out with Ride the Lightning and we had just released the first W.A.S.P. album. That was an infamous tour.
Where was the club located? Near Hammerjacks?
SR: It was down where Camden Yards is now. It had a really low ceiling, but was really big. The show was a complete mob scene.
What was it like following Metallica every night?
SR: Well, we switched off every night. W.A.S.P. would headline one night and then Metallica would headline the next night.
Were you in competition with each other?
SR: Not really. We became really good friends with them and it was an entirely different style of music.
W.A.S.P. was a very theatrical band. When you played clubs with them, did you have to tone it down?
SR: Yes. I think that was one of the big mistakes with W.A.S.P. After I joined, we went to Europe right away and recorded Live at the Lyceum with all the blood and the meat. We took that all over the world, but stopped doing it when we got back to the States. We were still theatrical over here, but not like overseas. We went crazy over there.
Didn’t you have a girl that would be stretched out on a rack?
SR: We dropped her too. We dropped all the shocking stuff. I thought we needed to go back to the States with it but (W.A.S.P. singer) Blackie (Lawless) didn’t want to.
Do you have any memories of Hammerjacks?
SR; Oh man, that was such a crazy time. I played there a couple times with W.A.S.P. and a bunch of times with L.A. Guns. It was one of the best rock clubs in the country. It was always packed to the balcony. Now it’s a ballpark. Camden Yards is right there.
You guys have a new record coming out soon. What is the recording process like for you guys?
SR: We’re actually not going to tour behind a full album. We’d be stuck on a small label with no distribution and no record stores, so we don’t want to go that route anymore. We’re just going to record five songs and put them on iTunes, so the fans can get to them right away. We’re gonna test those waters, because we haven’t done that yet. We have plenty of material, we just need to get in there and do it.
How has the digital marketplace changed the process?
SR: For an older band like us, it’s a godsend. Digital recording is much quicker, and you can take a line and double it quickly. It really helps the vocalist. Analog recording sounds great and everything, but it was a really slow process. You were in the studio for hours and hours.
For example, how long did it take to record Cocked and Loaded?
SR: That was actually a pretty easy process. We wrote material for about six months, went in the studio for five weeks and then released it quickly.
The follow-up, Hollywood Vampires, took much longer?
SR: Yeah, that came out two years later, in 1991. It took forever because we were in preproduction for six months and in the studio for five. We didn’t even tour behind it in the States. The band dissolved because we were so burnt out. It had been five years of nonstop movement and when Hollywood Vampires came out, we were burnt to a crisp. I liked the way it turned out, but it’s a bit disjointed.
Music had changed as well.
SR: Yeah, the whole Seattle scene was like a tidal wave coming at us. Like a lot bands, we panicked. Looking back on it, it was just a natural change. We didn’t need to panic, because there is always a new scene coming up. The ‘80s metal scene was getting fat anyway. Labels were signing a bunch of shitty bands. It got to the point where labels were signing anything that remotely looked like a rock band. There was no substance.
You guys were sleazier than the glam bands.
SR: Yeah, we always tried to keep a street sense about us and not be fluffy.
Even though you never were truly glam, you did have a hit power ballad with “The Ballad of Jayne,” about 50s sex symbol, Jayne Mansfield. How did the song come about?
SR: It started as a simple blues song, and then (lead singer) Phil (Lewis), (guitarist) Mick (Cripps) and (bassist) Kelly (Nickels) took the music that we recorded and came up with the melody that became “The Ballad of Jayne.” Phil came in with new lyrics about Jayne Mansfield, and there it was. Phil put a really nice touch on that.
Did you know it was going to be a hit after hearing the final mix?
SR: Yes, because it had a really good hook. It kind of stuck out like a sore thumb on the album, so we couldn’t jump on it right away. We launched the album with “Never Enough” and things like that so we could build to “The Ballad of Jayne.” We knew it was going to be a special song.
Do you remember the first time you played it?
SR: Yeah, man. People liked it right away. The first time we played it in LA, there was an immediate reaction. I heard the crowd and I knew we had our first top 40 hit.
And the video was in heavy rotation on MTV.
SR: The video was really well done. It had a dreamlike quality to it, and it was filmed on (former Filipino dictator) Ferdinand Marcos’ old estate in LA.
Really?
SR: Yup. Crazy, right? I think the song still holds up today.
So you never get tired of playing it?
SR: Nope, because if you are lucky enough to have a song that resonates with people, that’s what it’s all about.
Yeah, although Phil has a love/hate relationship with “Sex Action.”
SR: (laughs) We all do, because we had to play it so much. For the first year we were on tour, we only had one album, so we could only play that material. Phil really got sick of it because he had to sing it so much. Everywhere we went, it was “Sex Action,” “Sex Action,” “Sex Action.” It got old after awhile. I love the song now. It’s a killer rock song.
Has the songwriting process changed since the early days?
SR: Not really. Everyone contributes. Someone usually brings an idea and then the band pieces it together. After the band has worked things out musically, we give it to Phil and he writes the lyrics and melodies. That’s how we’ve always done it. Or (guitarist) Stacey (Blades) comes in with a riff, and we come up with a verse and a chorus to make some sense out of it and then we put it together with Phil in the room.
So it’s an organic process?
SR: Yes. Phil is a really great songwriter, and it’s not easy to write good melodies and good hooks. I don’t think he gets enough credit. He comes up with all of that himself. For example, “I Wanna Be Your Man,” was just a riff, but Phil gave it the melody. He writes all the lyrics and all the melodies. The band puts the music together.
Phil is British, so was there a culture shock when he joined the band?
SR: Not really, because Phil had already been to The States. Remember the actress Brit Ecklund from the ‘70s? Phil went out with her for a few years, so he’d already had a taste of Hollywood and everything. He fit right in.
You’ve been in Steppenwolf, W.A.S.P. and L.A. Guns. That’s basically three different genres of music. Did you have to change your drumming style for each band?
SR: Not for L.A. Guns and Steppenwolf, but for W.A.S.P. I had to become a double kick drummer right away. It was a real challenge playing those songs, and it gave me a real workout every night.
You also had the flaming logo behind you. Did you ever worry about catching on fire?
SR: Nope, because it was my job to light the sign every night (laughs)! I got used to a lot of shit happening around me.